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 Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:37:19 -0400, "Topp@Work"
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Example for you-
anecdotal "evidence" is unarguably worthless.
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Since this scenarion presents itself ver 2.5 million times a year, it's NOT
anecdotal.. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:46:31 GMT, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
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Less cops mean more crime
No, better courts and jails mean less crime. If you keep releasing the
criminals back to the streets then all the police on the planet aren't going
to control your crime.
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True.
The cost of maintaining adequate law enforcement AND
housing and maintaining adequate "space" for violent
criminals has never been appealing to taxpayers.
Instead, we jail tens of thousands of "Drug users" and
non-violent criminals instead of putting the really bad
guys in for ever. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT), John Graeme
<jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
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Not true
Less cops mean more crime
Prove it. Or at least provide some evidence. I can cite several
studies by criminologists that found that the police have no
significant effect on crime.
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Hell, you can cite a hundred by the Nazi Rifle
Association alone---all of which were paid to reflect
their views.
The "cops" program started under Clinton saw major
decline in crime in most areas a year or two after it
was initiated---government stats reflect
The Program was defunded--by the GOP and the states
didn't pick up the program |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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| On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT), John Graeme
| <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
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| >> Not true
| >> Less cops mean more crime
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| >Prove it. Or at least provide some evidence. I can cite several
| >studies by criminologists that found that the police have no
| >significant effect on crime.
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| Hell, you can cite a hundred by the Nazi
Godwin's Law: prov.
“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many
groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned
the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.
Rifle
| Association alone---all of which were paid to reflect
| their views.
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| The "cops" program started under Clinton saw major
| decline in crime in most areas a year or two after it
| was initiated---government stats reflect
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| The Program was defunded--by the GOP and the states
| didn't pick up the program |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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"John Graeme" <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 27, 10:42 am, Nick...@Click.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:57:15 -0700 (PDT),John Graeme
jdgra...@my-deja.com> wrote:
On Jun 26, 8:33 pm, Nick...@Click.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:46:34 -0400, "Topp@Work"
toppro...@comcast.net> wrote:
Funny though, crime in all those states went down....
No such thing
Crime went down in years where law enforcement was
funded properly.
Cops (generally) hate the idea of "more guns".
There is not one shred of hard evidence that the police have any
significant effect on crime.
Not true
Less cops mean more crime
Prove it. Or at least provide some evidence. I can cite several
studies by criminologists that found that the police have no
significant effect on crime.
Kansas City preventive patrol experiment
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_preventive_patrol_experiment
The Kansas City preventive patrol experiment was a landmark
experiment...by the Kansas City Police Department. It was evaluated by
the Police Foundation. It was designed to test the assumption that the
presence (or potential presence) of police officers in marked cars
reduced the likelihood of a crime being committed.
Victim surveys, reported crime rates, arrest data, a survey of local
businesses, attitudinal surveys, and trained observers who monitored
police-citizen interaction were used to gather data.
Major findings
1. Citizens did not notice the difference when the frequency of
patrols was changed.
2. Increasing or decreasing the level of patrol had no significant
effect on resident and commercial burglaries, auto thefts, larcenies
involving auto accessories, robberies, or vandalism-crimes.
3. The rate at which crimes were reported did not differ
significantly across the experimental beats.
4. Citizen reported fear of crime was not affected by different
levels of patrol.
5. Citizen satisfaction with police did not vary.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Over 30 years of criminological research has shown that the ability
of police to influence crime is extremely limited. For example,
neither the number of police in a community nor the style of policing
appears related to the crime rate. In 1991, San Diego and Dallas had
about the same ratio of police to population, yet twice as many crimes
were reported in Dallas. Meanwhile, Cleveland and San Diego had
comparable crime rates even though Cleveland had twice as many police
officers per capita. And in 1992, the District of Columbia had both
the highest homicide rate and the most metropolitan police per square
foot of any city in the nation.
The most thorough study ever done, a 1981 analysis of police beats in
Newark, NJ, found that foot patrols had virtually no effect on crime
rates."
--Richard Moran, professor of criminology at Mount Holyoke College.
"Community Policing Strategies Do Little to Prevent Crime." In:
_Crime_ P. Winters, ed. San Diego, CA: Greenhaven Press, 1998.
"The New York Story: More Luck Than Policing." _Washington Post
National Weekly Edition_, Feb 17-23,1997.
A study of policing in Detroit from 1926 and 1977 found no
relationship between policing and crime rate (Ch 1)
--_What Works in Policing_ by David H. Bayley (Editor). New York:
Oxford University Press, 1998.
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But with more police patrolling, they were able to cut down the amount of
time it took to get to a citizen's house to fill out the paper work after
the crime was committed. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Jun 27, 5:17 pm, Nick...@Click.com wrote:
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT),John Graeme
jdgra...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Not true
Less cops mean more crime
Prove it. Or at least provide some evidence. I can cite several
studies by criminologists that found that the police have no
significant effect on crime.
Hell, you can cite a hundred by the Nazi Rifle
Association alone---all of which were paid to reflect
their views.
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The studies I cited (which you snipped) were by professional
criminologists.
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The "cops" program started under Clinton saw major
decline in crime in most areas a year or two after it
was initiated---government stats reflect
The Program was defunded--by the GOP and the states
didn't pick up the program
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The crime rate declined in the 90s mainly because of a demographic
change--The population was aging; the percentage of persons in the
younger age groups declined. It's well established that most crimes
are committed by younger people. Other countries like Canada that
experienced a similar demographic change also had a marked reduction
in crime.
"The proportion of the population involved in crime tends to peak in
adolescence and early adulthood and then decline with age. This age-
crime relationship is remarkably similar across historical periods,
geographic locations, and crime types."
--Encyclopedia of Crime and Justice, 2nd ed. J Dressler, editor.
Macmillan 2002 (Vol 1, p31)
"Canada's crime rate for 1999 hit the lowest level in 20 years."
Dateline: 07/21/00(Statistics Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice
Statistics)
Judge Burton Roberts, administrative judge for the 12th Judicial
District of the Supreme Court of New York, stated at that time, "Crime
is down as a result of demographics. Right now you have less people
in the 15-to-25-year age group, in which criminals are most active." |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message news:l3ma64d4r60fnn371jjfsqpret8vljqdq8@4ax.com...
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT), John Graeme
jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
Not true
Less cops mean more crime
Prove it. Or at least provide some evidence. I can cite several
studies by criminologists that found that the police have no
significant effect on crime.
Hell, you can cite a hundred by the Nazi Rifle
Association alone---all of which were paid to reflect
their views.
The "cops" program started under Clinton saw major
decline in crime in most areas a year or two after it
was initiated---government stats reflect
The Program was defunded--by the GOP and the states
didn't pick up the program
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This is pure horseshit.. The whole Clinton program was a
red herring. It provided a one time influx of cash to selected
communties. The only problem is more new cops get paid an
annual wage and benefit, most of these communities saw the
money dissappear within a year or two and the program
scrapped. The only way to keep it going would have been
to raise city taxes, something no city official wants to do
because they want another term. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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Pubkeybreaker <pubkeybreaker@aol.com> wrote in
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On Jun 27, 7:40 am, "Morton Davis" <antike...@go.com> wrote:
"John Graeme" <jdgra...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 26, 8:33 pm, Nick...@Click.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:46:34 -0400, "Topp@Work"
toppro...@comcast.net> wrote:
Funny though, crime in all those states went down....
No such thing
Crime went down in years where law enforcement was funded properly.
Cops (generally) hate the idea of "more guns".
There is not one shred of hard evidence that the police have any
significant effect on crime. Indeed, several large studies (eg, the
Kansas City and Newark studies) found that the crime rate did not
change significantly with amount or type of policing.
In the real old days cops took the real bad guys down an alley and shot
them in the head. THAT did have a beneficial effect on crime
Please explain how the police committing a crime reduces crime.
Crime is crime. Or are you suggesting that it is OK to commit crimes
against some people but not others???? Ot that it is OK for some
people
to commit crimes?
To any rational thinking person having the POLICE commit a crime is
worse
than having your average thug commit a crime precisely because they
are
entrusted by the public to UPHOLD the law.
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Yes but that particular criminal never raped, robbed or murdered another human
being.
What's the down side?
Frank |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400,
"leonard78sp@primus.ca" <leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
So every minority gets to have guns to counter white
supremacy----
Wow, I'd be very, very afraid if I were you.
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Funny, this is exactly the argument used by Democrats in Dred Scott to deny
citizenship to blacks.
Democrats never change. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:23:16 -0500, "David Moffitt"
dmoffitt@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
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| Eventuall, Americans cannot survive with murderous
| mentality promoted by the Nazi
Godwin's Law: prov.
"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Just describing conservative mentality, Stupid
Sure a shit wasn't a "liberal" who fomented war in
Europe.
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A national socialist.
Opposed smoking, opposed abortion.
Felt the state knew better than the people.
Today's Liberal. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:23:05 -0500, "David Moffitt"
<dmoffitt@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
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Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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| On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT), John Graeme
| <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
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| >> Not true
| >> Less cops mean more crime
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| >Prove it. Or at least provide some evidence. I can cite several
| >studies by criminologists that found that the police have no
| >significant effect on crime.
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| Hell, you can cite a hundred by the Nazi
Godwin's Law: prov.
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MufftitfLoon's law
"Act like a nazi, then whine because you get called
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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| On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:23:05 -0500, "David Moffitt"
| <dmoffitt@stomping-leftist-twits.org> wrote:
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| ><Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
| >news:l3ma64d4r60fnn371jjfsqpret8vljqdq8@4ax.com...
| >| On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT), John Graeme
| >| <jdgraeme@my-deja.com> wrote:
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| >| >> Not true
| >| >> Less cops mean more crime
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| >| >Prove it. Or at least provide some evidence. I can cite several
| >| >studies by criminologists that found that the police have no
| >| >significant effect on crime.
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| >| Hell, you can cite a hundred by the Nazi
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| >Godwin's Law: prov.
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| MufftitfLoon's law
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| "Act like a nazi,
Godwin's Law: prov.
“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many
groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned
the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.
then whine because you get called
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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Nicklas@Click.com wrote in news:l3ma64d4r60fnn371jjfsqpret8vljqdq8@4ax.com:
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Hell, you can cite a hundred by the Nazi Rifle
Association alone---all of which were paid to reflect
their views.
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How open minded of you. Maybe we should just stick your stupid ass in a camp
and gas you.
You are so stupid as be beyond redemption.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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In article <3cr764tfgppkaqrovg25rcr9msakrej7rp@4ax.com>,
Nicklas@Click.com says...
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:23 -0600, "Sheldon"
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"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400, "leonard78sp@primus.ca"
leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
Yea, a lousy 5-4 decision from people who are supposed
to be experts on "original intent". Shoulda been 9-0.
Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January .....
While I'm happy about the decision,
All gunloons are.
Now we'll see who can kill the most people.
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I'm sure the leftists will rack up the largest score as usual.
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"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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In article <b9d864djs66p5jg2qcd9a0lhc447imqftc@4ax.com>,
Nicklas@Click.com says...
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 15:46:34 -0400, "Topp@Work"
topprolmc@comcast.net> wrote:
Funny though, crime in all those states went down....
No such thing
Crime went down in years where law enforcement was
funded properly.
Cops (generally) hate the idea of "more guns".
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Police chiefs (political animals) hold that view.
I've not found the average beat cop to hold it.
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"Oh Norman, listen! The loons are calling!"
- Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond" |
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