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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
By DAVID STOUT
Published: June 27, 2008
WASHINGTON The Supreme Court declared for
the first time on Thursday that the Constitution
protects an individualıs right to have a gun, not just
the right of the states to maintain militias.
Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority in the
5-to-4 decision, said the Constitution does not allow
³the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used
for self-defence in the home.² In so declaring, the
majority found that a gun-control law in the nationıs
capital went too far in making it nearly impossible to
own a handgun.
The decision upheld a federal appeals court ruling
that the District of Columbiaıs gun law, one of the
strictest in the country, went beyond constitutional
limits. Not only did the 1976 law make it practically
impossible for an individual to legally possess a
handgun in the District, but it spelled out rules for
the storage of rifles and shotguns.
But the long-awaited decision did not necessarily
mean that gun laws from coast to coast, many of
them far less restrictive than Washingtonıs, would
be swept aside.
Joining Justice Scalia were Chief Justice John G.
Roberts Jr. and Justices Clarence Thomas, Anthony
M. Kennedy and Samuel A. Alito Jr.
A dissent by Justice John Paul Stevens asserted that the
majority ³would have us believe that over 200 years
ago, the framers made a choice to limit the tools
available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian
uses of weapons.² Joining him were Justices David H.
Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.
The high courtıs ruling was the first since 1939 to deal
with the scope of the Second Amendment, and the first
ever to directly address the meaning of the
amendmentıs ambiguous, comma-laden text: ³A well
regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a
free State, the right of the people to keep and bear
Arms, shall not be infringed.²
The court concluded that the amendment protects an
individual right to bear arms, but it also said that the
right is not absolute, opening the door for more fights
in the future. Lawmakers across the country may look
to the decision as a blueprint for writing new
legislation to satisfy the demands of constituents who
say there is too much regulation of firearms now, or
too little, depending on the sentiments in their regions.
In March 2007, Washington city officials expressed
disappointment and outrage when the United States
Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit
overturned the city ordinance. The Supreme Court
ruling is sure to prompt work on a new ordinance that
can withstand high court scrutiny.
The last time the Supreme Court weighed a case
involving the Second Amendment, in 1939, it decided
a narrower question, finding that the Constitution did
not protect any right to possess a specific type of
firearm, the sawed-off shotgun.
By contrast, the issues in the District of Columbia case
seemed much more ³mainstream,² if that term can be
used in reference to gun-control issues. When the
justices announced on Nov. 20 that they were accepting
the case of District of Columbia v. Heller, No. 07-290,
they indicated that they would go to the heart of the
long debate.
The question, they said, is whether the districtıs
restrictions on firearms ³violate the Second Amendment
rights of individuals who are not affiliated with any
state-regulated militia but who wish to keep handguns
and other firearms for private use in their homes.²
Dick Anthony Heller, a security guard who carries a
handgun for his job protecting federal judiciary offices,
challenged the District of Columbiaıs law after his
request for a license to keep his gun at home was
rejected.
When the case was argued before the justices on March
18, Mr. Hellerıs lawyer, Alan Gura, did not assert that
the Second Amendment precluded any kind of ban
related to gun possession. He said that a ban on the
shipment of machine guns and sawed-off shotguns
would be acceptable, and in answer to a question from
the justices, so, too, might be a prohibition on guns in
schools. Some of the justices signalled during
arguments that they thought the Districtıs near-total
ban on handguns went too far.
A legislature ³has a great deal of leeway in regulating
firearms,² Mr. Gura argued, but not to the extent of
virtually banning them in homes.
The Washington law not only established high barriers
to the private possession of handguns, it also required
that rifles and shotguns be kept either in a disassembled
state or under a trigger lock.
Walter Dellinger, the lawyer who argued for the district
on March 18, asserted that ³the people² and ³the militia²
were essentially the same, and that the Second
Amendment gave people the right to bear arms only in
connection with their militia service.
Solicitor General Paul D. Clement, representing the
federal government, argued on behalf of the
individual-rights position, which has been the Bush
administrationıs policy. But he said that the appeals
court had also gone too far in overturning the ordinance
and that the right to bear arms was always subject to
³reasonable regulations.² |
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B1ackwater Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400, "leonard78sp@primus.ca"
<leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
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Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
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Yea, a lousy 5-4 decision from people who are supposed
to be experts on "original intent". Shoulda been 9-0.
Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January ..... |
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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bw@barrk.net (B1ackwater) sputtered:
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Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January .....
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Won't happen.
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Sheldon Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400, "leonard78sp@primus.ca"
leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
Yea, a lousy 5-4 decision from people who are supposed
to be experts on "original intent". Shoulda been 9-0.
Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January .....
While I'm happy about the decision, I don't hear the fat lady singing. I |
agree that it should have been 9 to 0, and the ruling is so direct towards
the DC law, that all it does is allow residents to keep a gun in their home
for protection. DC still plans to have strict gun registration, and for all
I know you would be immediately arrested if you took your gun outside or
transported it to a range to shoot. Compared to a state like Colorado, DC
is still getting the short end of the stick.
I hope this decision finds its way into other states and pulls the teeth out
of laws regarding OC and CC. |
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LT Guest
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
Yea, a lousy 5-4 decision from people who are supposed
to be experts on "original intent". Shoulda been 9-0.
Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January ....
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9-0 would have been a nice morel victory but it really makes not difference
as far as the law goes. The decision is the official position of the court,
and is now so recorded and can be sighted as legal precedence on any future
go-rounds.
But the folks in DC, Chicago and other restricted cities are not out of the
woods. I would expect DC to impose very strict requirements, and a lot of
red tape to be able to posses a gun. Maybe so much so that it may also be
challenged as "unreasonable". We'll see. I'm just glad I live in a state
that allows gun owner ship and concealed carry. We're working on open carry.
Larry T |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400,
"leonard78sp@primus.ca" <leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
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Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
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So every minority gets to have guns to counter white
supremacy----
Wow, I'd be very, very afraid if I were you. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:01:27 GMT, bw@barrk.net
(B1ackwater) wrote:
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400, "leonard78sp@primus.ca"
leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
Yea, a lousy 5-4 decision from people who are supposed
to be experts on "original intent". Shoulda been 9-0.
Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January .....
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Yep, then we can start practicing stiff-arm salutes,
goose-steps while you march lockstep with neo-nazis. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:23 -0600, "Sheldon"
<sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
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"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
news:4863d914.27226046@news.east.earthlink.net...
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400, "leonard78sp@primus.ca"
leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
Yea, a lousy 5-4 decision from people who are supposed
to be experts on "original intent". Shoulda been 9-0.
Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January .....
While I'm happy about the decision,
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All gunloons are.
Now we'll see who can kill the most people. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:48:36 -0500, "LT"
<craves9057@mypacks.net> wrote:
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But the folks in DC, Chicago and other restricted cities are not out of the
woods. I would expect DC to impose very strict requirements, and a lot of
red tape to be able to posses a gun.
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So you're saying that some rationality still might
exist to counter gunloonery? |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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"Topp@Work" <topprolmc@comcast.net> sputtered:
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The claim that has been made for years as more states allowed
CCW, and it has yet to happen...
Funny though, crime in all those states went down....
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But not as a result of the CHL laws and not in all states.
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:23 -0600, "Sheldon"
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"B1ackwater" <bw@barrk.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400, "leonard78sp@primus.ca"
leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
Yea, a lousy 5-4 decision from people who are supposed
to be experts on "original intent". Shoulda been 9-0.
Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January .....
While I'm happy about the decision,
All gunloons are.
Now we'll see who can kill the most people.
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The claim that has been made for years as more states allowed CCW, and it
has yet to happen...
Funny though, crime in all those states went down....
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:48:36 -0500, "LT"
craves9057@mypacks.net> wrote:
But the folks in DC, Chicago and other restricted cities are not out of
the
woods. I would expect DC to impose very strict requirements, and a lot of
red tape to be able to posses a gun.
So you're saying that some rationality still might
exist to counter gunloonery?
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What do you find rational about disarming LAW ABIDING people to protect
themselves? |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:01:27 GMT, bw@barrk.net
(B1ackwater) wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400, "leonard78sp@primus.ca"
leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
Yea, a lousy 5-4 decision from people who are supposed
to be experts on "original intent". Shoulda been 9-0.
Maybe "W" will have the opportunity to get one more
'liberal' outta there before January .....
Yep, then we can start practicing stiff-arm salutes,
goose-steps while you march lockstep with neo-nazis.
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Bwaaahaaa....You are obviously about 15 years old, or just a moron... |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:47 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:55:44 -0400,
"leonard78sp@primus.ca" <leonard78sp@primus.ca> wrote:
Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights
So every minority gets to have guns to counter white
supremacy----
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So you are a racist I see...
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Wow, I'd be very, very afraid if I were you.
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Why? I am armed..... |
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Justices Rule for Individual Gun Rights |
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<Nicklas@Click.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:48:36 -0500, "LT"
craves9057@mypacks.net> wrote:
But the folks in DC, Chicago and other restricted cities are not out of
the
woods. I would expect DC to impose very strict requirements, and a lot of
red tape to be able to posses a gun.
So you're saying that some rationality still might
exist to counter gunloonery?
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I wouldn't put it that way.
SCOTUS has for once and for all affirmed that the 2nd Amendment implies the
right to keep and bare arms is directed at the individual, not a group
(militia) and the states have no authority to deny that right, liken to they
have no authority to deny freedom of speech, vis a vis the 1st amendment.
But in as much as states have some latitude in the requirements they impose,
some will no doubt be more restrictive than others. And that how it HAS been
in virtually every state. Texas for example has no wait requirement to
purchase a gun. Pass the instant check (or present your Concealed Carry
License), fill out the forms, pay your money, and out the door you go. Other
states have a 3 day wait period for hand gun purchase. Most states are
"shall issue" states, which means if you can qualify, both by back ground
check and demonstrating gun skills and safety, you can get a permit to
carry. Some states require you to list the gun you will carry on your CHL,
most don't... and on and on. What states and cities can't do (less they
again be challenged in court) is impose unreasonable rules for gun
ownership. And I think DC and Chicago will probably go that route, and we'll
see them back in court. And they will no doubt loose again.
my $.02 US
Larry T |
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