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 Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Don't Call It "Algebra"; Call It Something Warm And Fuzzy |
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COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
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Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008 11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra.html
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charles q
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: Don't Call It "Algebra"; Call It Something Warm And Fuzz |
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On Jul 5, 6:04 am, Rela...@home.net (Way Back Jack) wrote:
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COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
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Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008 11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra....
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Thats about the most rediculous thing that i have ever heard.I do not
see how calling algebra,algebra could posibly scare anybody at all.I
guess then calling english and history is scaring students also. LOL |
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Frank Arthur
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names for il |
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Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names for illnesses
and diseases?
"Way Back Jack" <Relaxin@home.net> wrote in message
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COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008 11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something
else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of
Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would
pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra
is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra.html
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Jack
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names fo |
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Is it true that you see a school subject and disease as synonymous?
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:16:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com>
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Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names for illnesses
and diseases?
"Way Back Jack" <Relaxin@home.net> wrote in message
news:486f7172.10114750@news.datemas.de...
COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008 11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something
else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of
Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would
pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra
is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra.html
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Frank Arthur
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names fo |
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"Jack" <Windswept@Home> wrote in message
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Is it true that you see a school subject and disease as synonymous?
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You are unable to see the relationship between the fear of "scary,
foreign names" to simpler terms whether it is a school subject or a
disease.
Try to expand your horizons.
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:16:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"
Art@Arthurian.com
wrote:
Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names for illnesses
and diseases?
"Way Back Jack" <Relaxin@home.net> wrote in message
news:486f7172.10114750@news.datemas.de...
COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam
Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008
11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as
sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something
else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of
Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would
pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less
scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra
is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra.html
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names fo |
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:27:32 -0400, "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com>
wrote:
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"Jack" <Windswept@Home> wrote in message
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Is it true that you see a school subject and disease as synonymous?
You are unable to see the relationship between the fear of "scary,
foreign names" to simpler terms whether it is a school subject or a
disease.
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Funny how past generations didn't find algebra scary.
BOO!
You weenies don't seem to mind forcing them to learn Spanish with its
foreign names.
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Try to expand your horizons.
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Try to escape the world of dumbed-down left-wing classroom political
correctness.
Make sure they have "self-esteem, but don't torture them with readin',
writin', and 'rithmetic.
Heh.
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:16:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"
Art@Arthurian.com
wrote:
Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names for illnesses
and diseases?
"Way Back Jack" <Relaxin@home.net> wrote in message
news:486f7172.10114750@news.datemas.de...
COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam
Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008
11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as
sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something
else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of
Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would
pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less
scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra
is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra.html
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Frank Arthur
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names fo |
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Yes Jack. I see your great literacy in your writing. Nothing like the
"good ole days" when everything and everybody worked so well. Don't
change anything Jack. And of course you will blame "dumbed-down
left-wing classroom political
correctness.".
You left out "Leftie, Commie, Islamo-Republicrat,
Fascist,elitist,Pinko, Liberal, anti-American, centrist,zionazi, child
eating faggot." It's your type of contribution to the failures in
America.
"Jack" <Windswept@Home> wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:27:32 -0400, "Frank Arthur"
Art@Arthurian.com
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"Jack" <Windswept@Home> wrote in message
news:486f755d.11117750@news-60.giganews.com...
Is it true that you see a school subject and disease as
synonymous?
You are unable to see the relationship between the fear of "scary,
foreign names" to simpler terms whether it is a school subject or a
disease.
Funny how past generations didn't find algebra scary.
BOO!
You weenies don't seem to mind forcing them to learn Spanish with
its
foreign names.
Try to expand your horizons.
Try to escape the world of dumbed-down left-wing classroom political
correctness.
Make sure they have "self-esteem, but don't torture them with
readin',
writin', and 'rithmetic.
Heh.
______
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:16:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"
Art@Arthurian.com
wrote:
Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names for
illnesses
and diseases?
"Way Back Jack" <Relaxin@home.net> wrote in message
news:486f7172.10114750@news.datemas.de...
COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam
Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008
11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as
sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something
else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering
of
Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would
pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less
scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that
algebra
is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it
a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra.html
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names fo |
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OK, OK, we'll call "algebra" "kwanzaa maff"!
Does that work for you????
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:43:49 -0400, "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com>
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Yes Jack. I see your great literacy in your writing. Nothing like the
"good ole days" when everything and everybody worked so well. Don't
change anything Jack. And of course you will blame "dumbed-down
left-wing classroom political
correctness.".
You left out "Leftie, Commie, Islamo-Republicrat,
Fascist,elitist,Pinko, Liberal, anti-American, centrist,zionazi, child
eating faggot." It's your type of contribution to the failures in
America.
"Jack" <Windswept@Home> wrote in message
news:486f7ff3.13828109@news-60.giganews.com...
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:27:32 -0400, "Frank Arthur"
Art@Arthurian.com
wrote:
"Jack" <Windswept@Home> wrote in message
news:486f755d.11117750@news-60.giganews.com...
Is it true that you see a school subject and disease as
synonymous?
You are unable to see the relationship between the fear of "scary,
foreign names" to simpler terms whether it is a school subject or a
disease.
Funny how past generations didn't find algebra scary.
BOO!
You weenies don't seem to mind forcing them to learn Spanish with
its
foreign names.
Try to expand your horizons.
Try to escape the world of dumbed-down left-wing classroom political
correctness.
Make sure they have "self-esteem, but don't torture them with
readin',
writin', and 'rithmetic.
Heh.
______
On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:16:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"
Art@Arthurian.com
wrote:
Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names for
illnesses
and diseases?
"Way Back Jack" <Relaxin@home.net> wrote in message
news:486f7172.10114750@news.datemas.de...
COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam
Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008
11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as
sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something
else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering
of
Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would
pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less
scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that
algebra
is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it
a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra.html
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names fo |
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On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 09:16:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com>
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Isn't it true that you use simpler, less scary, names for illnesses
and diseases?
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Non-medical people use simpler, but not necessarily less scary terms.
E.g., brain cancer sounds scarier than astrocytoma IV. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Don't Call It "Algebra"; Call It Something Warm And Fuzz |
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On Jul 5, 9:04 am, Rela...@home.net (Way Back Jack) wrote:
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COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008 11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/would_name_change_help_algebra....
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Well they did dumb down the Educational Institution to School, so why
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Don't Call It "Algebra"; Call It Something Warm And Fuzz |
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On Jul 10, 9:41 am, hru...@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) wrote:
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In article <486f7172.10114...@news.datemas.de>,
Way Back Jack <Rela...@home.net> wrote:
COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008 11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
Students have not convinced themselves of this; teachers
who do not understand algebra, and this includes most
algebra teachers and an even higher proportion of elementary
school teachers, think it is difficult.
Well, whenever you post this, I ask for some peer-reviewed or other |
reliable studies supporting your claims that most math teachers in the
United States do not understand basic mathematical concepts such as
basic high school-level algebra (other than the fact that your
repeated statements that this is so). Preferably, this should include
information as to how NCLB has affected teacher competence with
respect to math.
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The following includes essentially all of algebra, except
for technical terms not used at the high school level:
A variable is a temporary name for something,
which must maintain its meaning in a given context.
The same operation performed on equal entities
yields equal results.
I respectfully disagree. For whatever reason, the term *algebra* has |
taken on some mythical status as something extremely difficult and
fear-inducing. Yet without referring to it as *algebra* per se, the
aforementioned concepts are introduced in most math curriculums in the
4th or 5th grade (5th grade at One's school, which uses a truly awful
math curriculum). Discussion at lunch -- One's friend: *your school
is so far behind ours! WE'RE learning algebra!* One *We're not even
close to algebra. We're learning about variables.*
Of course, the answer is not to re-name the subject. Rather, the
answer is to show the students that algebra isn't that difficult.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Don't Call It "Algebra"; Call It Something Warm And Fuzz |
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On Jul 10, 12:31 pm, Barbara <mom_2_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Jul 10, 9:41 am, hru...@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) wrote:
Of course, the answer is not to re-name the subject. Rather, the
answer is to show the students that algebra isn't that difficult.
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My general suspicion is that the phenomenon isn't unique to 'algebra'.
I suspect that the students afraid of 'algebra' are also afraid of
'physics', 'chemistry', 'literature'... etc. They are afraid of
any subject that requires that they <gasp!> might have to study
in order to learn. Too many are simply intellectually LAZY. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Don't Call It "Algebra"; Call It Something Warm And Fuzz |
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In article <486f7172.10114750@news.datemas.de>,
Way Back Jack <Relaxin@home.net> wrote:
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COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008 11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
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Students have not convinced themselves of this; teachers
who do not understand algebra, and this includes most
algebra teachers and an even higher proportion of elementary
school teachers, think it is difficult.
The following includes essentially all of algebra, except
for technical terms not used at the high school level:
A variable is a temporary name for something,
which must maintain its meaning in a given context.
The same operation performed on equal entities
yields equal results.
Now of course there is practice involved, and illustration
but the above can be taught to those who can just read and
write symbols. Translating word problems just uses the
first of these; do not stint on the number of variables
used. The great bulk of texts start out insisting on the
use of one variable only; this is a major crime in achieving
any understanding.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Don't Call It "Algebra"; Call It Something Warm And Fuzz |
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WE CALLS UM KWANZA MAFF AN SHIT
Herman Rubin wrote:
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In article <486f7172.10114750@news.datemas.de>,
Way Back Jack <Relaxin@home.net> wrote:
COMMENT: Yeah, that's the ticket, call it "Yomomma," or "Slam Dunk."
That should create interest in the dumbed-down set.
___________
Would name change help algebra students?
Posted by Dave Murray | The Grand Rapids Press July 03, 2008 11:09AM
As Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
But would Algebra 2 be as difficult if it were called something else?
State Sen. Wayne Kuipers, R-Holland, recently told a gathering of Kent
County school board members that he believes more students would pass
the upper-level math course if it were called something less scary.
His theory is that students have convinced themselves that algebra is
too difficult and that they throw in the towel before giving it a
chance.
Students have not convinced themselves of this; teachers
who do not understand algebra, and this includes most
algebra teachers and an even higher proportion of elementary
school teachers, think it is difficult.
The following includes essentially all of algebra, except
for technical terms not used at the high school level:
A variable is a temporary name for something,
which must maintain its meaning in a given context.
The same operation performed on equal entities
yields equal results.
Now of course there is practice involved, and illustration
but the above can be taught to those who can just read and
write symbols. Translating word problems just uses the
first of these; do not stint on the number of variables
used. The great bulk of texts start out insisting on the
use of one variable only; this is a major crime in achieving
any understanding.
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Reminds me of when, years ago, Miss Manners wrote a column about how,
in her opinion, mandatory charity work at school is good for kids
because "no doubt they do as little as possible and vow never to
return, but isn't that also true of many other subjects they have to
study? Reverse psychology is all very well, but Miss Manners doubts
that removing the algebra requirement would give students a sudden
interest in algebra."
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