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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:26:58 -0500, Lord Vetinari <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
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"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html

Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out
what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?



I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.


I'd never heard of the asshole until today.

Not knowing anything about him, what gives you the impression that he was an
asshole? Or do you simply always assume that everyone else shares your
characteristics?


Because he was promoting religion as science and pushing back the field.
I don't appreciate people who hinder human progress.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:

Quote:
In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html

Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to say,
why post it?



I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.

He's a troll.
He's only here to show his ass, offend the regulars and pick fights.
Unlike some however, he's very common, rather dullwitted and not
clever enough to make it interesting.
And yes, the information is appreciated.

atheist@home#1554
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

<atheist@home.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:

In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html

Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out
what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?



I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.

He's a troll.

You wouldn't know a troll if it bit you. It's intellectually lazy of you to
paint everyone who disagrees with you with the same broad brush...just never
mind the facts, cutie.

Quote:
He's only here to show his ass, offend the regulars and pick fights.

"offend the regulars"...That's really amusing, you know? I got my a.a
number before you did, and was here long before that.

Quote:
Unlike some however, he's very common, rather dullwitted and not
clever enough to make it interesting.

Comments like this are sad, crude little trollish fewmets; they're so far
off the mark that they couldn't possibly affect me, or for that matter, most
anyone else.

Try showing a little imagination, show us that you came by your atheism by
way of reason, rather than the blind emotional kneejerk response you display
so often.

Quote:
And yes, the information is appreciated.

You say as though someone had said something to the contrary. Your reading
comprehension skills are lacking.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

In article <6004fe25-a192-4245-b1ba-f898df8d5397@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Lord Calvert <CalvertdeGrey@msn.com> writes:
Quote:
On Jul 10, 3:25 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message

news:g55lds$48e$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...



In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetin...@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html

Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?

I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.

Having an inconsistent memory, I often forget the names of people I've known
for years. It's hardly surprising that his name wouldn't ring any bells.
If you'd have simply made a short comment as to what the point of posting
the link was, it might have sparked even MY memory. Cary on, Cary on!

I'm still waiting for Templeton's military equivalent (Bert
Stubblebine)

Who?

So I go a-googling, and the first four or five things
I see involve Uri Geller, "healthfreedomusa.com", and
Jeff Rense.

PLONK!!!

(not, you, Bert)

How does somebody like that get to be a Major General?

-- cary

to kick off. I had the misfortune of actually meeting MG
Quote:
Stubblebine when he was my Commanding General back in '82. The man was
fruitier than a nutcake then and from what I've read he's just gotten
nuttier after he was made to retire in '84. The man has done immense
damage to the intelligence community with his incompetence and simply
threw away millions on charlatans and frauds.


Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

On Jul 11, 5:01 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Quote:
In article <6004fe25-a192-4245-b1ba-f898df8d5...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Lord Calvert <CalvertdeG...@msn.com> writes:



On Jul 10, 3:25 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message

news:g55lds$48e$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...

In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetin...@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html

Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?

I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.

Having an inconsistent memory, I often forget the names of people I've known
for years. It's hardly surprising that his name wouldn't ring any bells.
If you'd have simply made a short comment as to what the point of posting
the link was, it might have sparked even MY memory. Cary on, Cary on!

I'm still waiting for Templeton's military equivalent (Bert
Stubblebine)

Who?

So I go a-googling, and the first four or five things
I see involve Uri Geller, "healthfreedomusa.com", and
Jeff Rense.

PLONK!!!

(not, you, Bert)

How does somebody like that get to be a Major General?

Politics and patronage. For some officers, getting their first star is
a lot easier than getting their bird because sympathetic congressmen
can expedite the process and since all general and flag officers need
congressional approval before promotion, having friends in the
political arena can go a long way towards promotions in the highest
ranks. I think that is one of the major faults of the military
promotion system, at least in regards to general and flag officers. As
long as congressional approval and political reliability mean more
than professional competence, it is going to be very difficult to get
a consistent level of good performance out of our general and flag
officers. If the now thankfully retired Gerry Boykin didn't have his
buddy-buddy relationship with the totalitarian Religious Right, I
don't think he would have ever gotten his first star, much less his
third (and his first star was indeed considerably delayed while he
shored up his political connections) and probably would have been
justifiably cashiered as a colonel after his demonstrated incompetence
in Somalia.


Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
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EAC Department of Cruel and Unusual Choreography
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
Quote:

cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
How does somebody like that get to be a Major General?


I hope you knew that this was coming:


<WHAP!> How COULD I have forgotten?

--cary



Quote:

ARTIST: Gilbert and Sullivan
TITLE: I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major General
Lyrics


[Pirates of Penzance]

I am the very model of a modern Major-General
I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral
I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical
From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical

I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical
I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical
About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse

With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotepotenuse

I'm very good at integral and differential calculus
I know the scientific names of beings animalculous
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
I am the very model of a modern Major-General

In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
He is the very model of a modern Major-General

I know our mythic history, King Arthur's and Sir Caradoc's
I answer hard acrostics, I've a pretty taste for paradox
I quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus
In conics I can floor peculiarities parabolous

I can tell undoubted Raphaels from Gerard Dows and Zoffanies
I know the croaking chorus from the Frogs of Aristophanes
Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore

And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinapinafore

Then I can write a washing bill in Babylonic cuneiform
And tell you ev'ry detail of Caractacus's uniform
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
I am the very model of a modern Major-General

In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
He is the very model of a modern Major-General

In fact, when I know what is meant by "mamelon" and "ravelin"
When I can tell at sight a Mauser rifle from a javelin
When such affairs as sorties and surprises I'm more wary at
And when I know precisely what is meant by "commissariat"

When I have learnt what progress has been made in modern gunnery
When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery
In short, when I've a smattering of elemental strategy
You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a gee

You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a gee
You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a gee
You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a sat a gee

For my military knowledge, though I'm plucky and adventury
Has only been brought down to the beginning of the century
But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
I am the very model of a modern Major-General

But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
He is the very model of a modern Major-General

lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:43 am    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Quote:
How does somebody like that get to be a Major General?


I hope you knew that this was coming:

<ARTIST: Gilbert and Sullivan
<TITLE: I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major General
<Lyrics
<
<
<[Pirates of Penzance]
<
<I am the very model of a modern Major-General
<I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral
<I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical
<From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical
<
<I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical
<I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical
<About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news
<With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
<
<With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
<With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse
<With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotepotenuse
<
<I'm very good at integral and differential calculus
<I know the scientific names of beings animalculous
<In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
<I am the very model of a modern Major-General
<
<In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
<He is the very model of a modern Major-General
<
<I know our mythic history, King Arthur's and Sir Caradoc's
<I answer hard acrostics, I've a pretty taste for paradox
<I quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus
<In conics I can floor peculiarities parabolous
<
<I can tell undoubted Raphaels from Gerard Dows and Zoffanies
<I know the croaking chorus from the Frogs of Aristophanes
<Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore
<And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore
<
<And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore
<And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore
<And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinapinafore
<
<Then I can write a washing bill in Babylonic cuneiform
<And tell you ev'ry detail of Caractacus's uniform
<In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
<I am the very model of a modern Major-General
<
<In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
<He is the very model of a modern Major-General
<
<In fact, when I know what is meant by "mamelon" and "ravelin"
<When I can tell at sight a Mauser rifle from a javelin
<When such affairs as sorties and surprises I'm more wary at
<And when I know precisely what is meant by "commissariat"
<
<When I have learnt what progress has been made in modern gunnery
<When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery
<In short, when I've a smattering of elemental strategy
<You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a gee
<
<You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a gee
<You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a gee
<You'll say a better Major-General had never sat a sat a gee
<
<For my military knowledge, though I'm plucky and adventury
<Has only been brought down to the beginning of the century
<But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
<I am the very model of a modern Major-General
<
<But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral
<He is the very model of a modern Major-General

lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:26:20 -0500, AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:26:58 -0500, Lord Vetinari <vetinari@ameritech.net> wrote:
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
news:slrng7co55.t5q.aznomad.3@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net...
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html

Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out
what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?



I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.


I'd never heard of the asshole until today.

Not knowing anything about him, what gives you the impression that he was an
asshole? Or do you simply always assume that everyone else shares your
characteristics?


Quote:
Because he was promoting religion as science and pushing back the field.
I don't appreciate people who hinder human progress.

No followup? Glad to hear you agree with me that JT was a worthless asshole.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

In article <1ZNfk.33310$ZE5.25831@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
Quote:
"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
How does somebody like that get to be a Major General?
I hope you knew that this was coming:

ARTIST: Gilbert and Sullivan
TITLE: I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major General

I could swear that I have that on my iPod, but if I do, it's got the wrong
tags. *sigh* At least when I play it, I share it with everyone in earshot.



EARWORM ALERT! EARWORM ALERT!!!


-- cary " `Flying Purple People Eater', so there!" kittrell
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:26:20 -0500, AZ Nomad
aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:26:58 -0500, Lord Vetinari <vetinari@ameritech.net
wrote:
"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about
it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out
what the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've
nothing to
say, why post it?
I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
I'd never heard of the asshole until today.
Not knowing anything about him, what gives you the impression that he was
an
asshole? Or do you simply always assume that everyone else shares your
characteristics?
Because he was promoting religion as science and pushing back the field.
I don't appreciate people who hinder human progress.
No followup? Glad to hear you agree with me that JT was a worthless
asshole.

Oh, but I do agree. I'll have to just say that I haven't a clue as to why I
put in that second sentence. It must be the heat. Consider this as an
apology, if you will.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies Reply with quote

"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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Quote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
How does somebody like that get to be a Major General?
I hope you knew that this was coming:

ARTIST: Gilbert and Sullivan
TITLE: I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major General

I could swear that I have that on my iPod, but if I do, it's got the wrong
tags. *sigh* At least when I play it, I share it with everyone in earshot.
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