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 Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM>
We frequently discuss science and religion -- or, sadly
science vs. religion -- on these froups. Along these
lines, the Templeton Prize, awarded for "progress in religion",
was given a number of times to scientists
whose work, in their opinion, helped
bridge the divide. It's the biggest sorta-science
prize in existence, more lucrative than the
Nobel. This was unsettling to some in the science
community, and sometimes scientists who accepted
the award came under criticism.
Scientific American's obit, which mentions this issue:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=john-templeton-philanthro
PZ Myers on the subject:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/templeton_discovers_mortality.php
There was a comment -- either in New Scientist or Scientific American;
I wish I could dig it up -- to the effect that if John Templeton was
hoping that science would validate religion, it was "the worst investment
he ever made."
-- cary |
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Cary Kittrell
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to say,
why post it?
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I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
-- cary |
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Cary Kittrell
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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In article <jntdk.12007$cW3.2460@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?
I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
Having an inconsistent memory, I often forget the names of people I've known
for years.
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Eh? Eh? Which one are you again, sonny?
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It's hardly surprising that his name wouldn't ring any bells.
If you'd have simply made a short comment as to what the point of posting
the link was, it might have sparked even MY memory. Cary on, Cary on!
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-- cary |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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On Jul 10, 2:12 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
snippy
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There was a comment -- either in New Scientist or Scientific American;
I wish I could dig it up -- to the effect that if John Templeton was
hoping that science would validate religion, it was "the worst investment
he ever made."
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<nodds head>
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
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Cary Kittrell
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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*nemo* <nemo0037@earthlink.diespam.com>
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to say,
why post it?
I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
-- cary
Yeah, I recognized the name. I've been amused at some of the things he
wasted his money on over the years. I wish I could have tapped into that
cash flow just a little... the easiest money to be made on the planet,
and the most guilt free.
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Some folks in our astronomy department won a grant for a lecture
series, "Astrobiology and the Sacred". A whole long lectures
series with invited lecturers -- scientists, theologians, artists.
I myself went to see four lectures by paleontologist John Conway Morris,
of Gould's "Wonderful Life" fame (believes God started life; evolution
did the rest) and cell biologist Ursula Goodenough (stone atheist,
but still able to look on nature as sacred), as well as our
own department's Nick Woolfe. It was a good idea, and I now
wish I had gone to hear more folks. I have absolutely no
objection to hearing smart people kick around the questions,
and there was no attempt to either exclude one side or to
invite only one side.
-- cary |
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AZ Nomad
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:21:58 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
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so? |
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
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Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to say,
why post it? |
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Christopher A. Lee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:12:33 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
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AZ Nomad <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:21:58 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
so?
We frequently discuss science and religion -- or, sadly
science vs. religion -- on these froups. Along these
lines, the Templeton Prize, awarded for "progress in religion",
was given a number of times to scientists
whose work, in their opinion, helped
bridge the divide. It's the biggest sorta-science
prize in existence, more lucrative than the
Nobel. This was unsettling to some in the science
community, and sometimes scientists who accepted
the award came under criticism.
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Because scientists who did the sort of thing that got the prize,
prostituted themselves.
When they are introduced as scientists and talk religion they're being
dishonest.
The religious audience thinks they are talking science.
Nicely put.
>-- cary |
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AZ Nomad
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
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In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to say,
why post it?
I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
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I'd never heard of the asshole until today. |
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?
I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
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Having an inconsistent memory, I often forget the names of people I've known
for years. It's hardly surprising that his name wouldn't ring any bells.
If you'd have simply made a short comment as to what the point of posting
the link was, it might have sparked even MY memory. Cary on, Cary on! |
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Lord Vetinari
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC), Cary Kittrell
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote:
In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out
what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?
I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
I'd never heard of the asshole until today.
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Not knowing anything about him, what gives you the impression that he was an
asshole? Or do you simply always assume that everyone else shares your
characteristics? |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
-- cary
Meh. Mostly harmless, I suppose. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
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In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7025@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to say,
why post it?
I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
-- cary
Yeah, I recognized the name. I've been amused at some of the things he |
wasted his money on over the years. I wish I could have tapped into that
cash flow just a little... the easiest money to be made on the planet,
and the most guilt free.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002 |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: Re: John Templeton dies |
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On Jul 10, 3:25 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@ameritech.net> wrote:
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"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55lds$48e$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <Fpsdk.11979$cW3.7...@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> "Lord Vetinari"
vetin...@ameritech.net> writes:
"Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g55gfm$q71$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/business/09templeton.html
Ummm, Cary, why are you posting an URL without saying anything about it?
It's pretty rude to expect everyone to go to the website to find out what
the fuck you are referring to. I mean, really - if you've nothing to
say,
why post it?
I assumed anyone interested in Science/Religion issues would
recognize the name John Templeton. Just like everyone
recognized the name George Carlin or PZ Meyers.
Having an inconsistent memory, I often forget the names of people I've known
for years. It's hardly surprising that his name wouldn't ring any bells.
If you'd have simply made a short comment as to what the point of posting
the link was, it might have sparked even MY memory. Cary on, Cary on!
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I'm still waiting for Templeton's military equivalent (Bert
Stubblebine) to kick off. I had the misfortune of actually meeting MG
Stubblebine when he was my Commanding General back in '82. The man was
fruitier than a nutcake then and from what I've read he's just gotten
nuttier after he was made to retire in '84. The man has done immense
damage to the intelligence community with his incompetence and simply
threw away millions on charlatans and frauds.
Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
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