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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject: Obama - INCREASE funding for No Child Left Behind |
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Further illustrating the separation between Obama and the extreme left
of his party, Obama said at a speech of the NAACP that he would
increase funding for No Child Left Behind....
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2008/07/15/43obama_web.html?tmp=1277207917
....if elected. This is just the latest such example. Last week, he
told the teachers unions that he supported charter schools and
performance pay for teachers. All three (NCLB, charter schools, and
performance pay) are opposed by teacher unions.
Of course, this is a change in Obama's message on No Child Left
Behind. Like the troop surge of Iraq, gun rights, abortion, and many
other areas, Obama had one message in the primaries to get the party
nomination. However, upon getting that nomination, he has come full
center...almost a conservative invasion into Republican territory.
Recent reporters have been asking if Obama was a Progressive acting
centrist or if he was a centrist that was, simply, acting
progressive. With each of these stories, it would seem the latter.
However, I think the truth is that he is really just a politician that
will say anything to get elected (he was for NCLB before he was
against it...paraphrase of Kerry), and who knows what he'd do if
elected. Of course, the very same is true for McCain.
Kenneth Clifton
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The_Carpathia
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Obama - INCREASE funding for No Child Left Behind |
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Lack of research, as usual...sigh...
On Jul 16, 8:40 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
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The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Further illustrating the separation between Obama and the extreme left
of his party, Obama said at a speech of the NAACP that he would
increase funding for No Child Left Behind....
Until and unless it is repealed, it needs to be fully funded, which it
hasn't been. Others on the left have said the same thing.
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The new head of AFT said his top priority is to kill NCLB.
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All three (NCLB, charter schools, and performance pay) are opposed by teacher unions.
Misrepresentation that has been dealt with previously. Repeating your
errors doesn't make them any less egregiously wrong.
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Where have you disputed his support for charter schools and
performance pay? Have you any proof to dispute the news links I've
provided about it? Obama's comments about performance pay received
boos from the crowd at the NEA convention.
The fact remains that Obama is getting attacked BY HIS OWN SIDE for
these departures. The link I gave was from the anti-NCLB Education
Week site, and the article makes it clear Obama is breaking with the
left on many points, including this one. So, either the liberal press
is ignorant, or you are wrong.
Kenneth Clifton
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The_Carpathia
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Obama - INCREASE funding for No Child Left Behind |
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On Jul 16, 8:50 am, The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Lack of research, as usual...sigh...
On Jul 16, 8:40 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Further illustrating the separation between Obama and the extreme left
of his party, Obama said at a speech of the NAACP that he would
increase funding for No Child Left Behind....
Until and unless it is repealed, it needs to be fully funded, which it
hasn't been. Others on the left have said the same thing.
The new head of AFT said his top priority is to kill NCLB.
All three (NCLB, charter schools, and performance pay) are opposed by teacher unions.
Misrepresentation that has been dealt with previously. Repeating your
errors doesn't make them any less egregiously wrong.
Where have you disputed his support for charter schools and
performance pay? Have you any proof to dispute the news links I've
provided about it? Obama's comments about performance pay received
boos from the crowd at the NEA convention.
The fact remains that Obama is getting attacked BY HIS OWN SIDE for
these departures. The link I gave was from the anti-NCLB Education
Week site, and the article makes it clear Obama is breaking with the
left on many points, including this one. So, either the liberal press
is ignorant, or you are wrong.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=obama+nea+performance+pay+boos&btnG=Search
Follow that link for multiple stories confirming the boos from the NEA
convention speech.
Kenneth Clifton
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Obama - INCREASE funding for No Child Left Behind |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Further illustrating the separation between Obama and the extreme left
of his party, Obama said at a speech of the NAACP that he would
increase funding for No Child Left Behind....
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Until and unless it is repealed, it needs to be fully funded, which it
hasn't been. Others on the left have said the same thing.
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All three (NCLB, charter schools, and performance pay) are opposed by teacher unions.
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Misrepresentation that has been dealt with previously. Repeating your
errors doesn't make them any less egregiously wrong.
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However, I think the truth is that he is really just a politician
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You seem to think that there is something wrong with politicians.
Rarely does a non-politician get elected, and those few are usually
incompetent to serve once they get there, since it takes politics to
get things done.
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that will say anything to get elected
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Clearly false.
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and who knows what he'd do if elected.
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Anyone with common sense.
He'll try to get his ideas enacted into law, using his leadership
skills, but will compromise much of what he would like in order to get
anything passed.
In other words, the same as any other sane politician.
The politicians who WON'T compromise are the scary ones. Like
Bushwhack.
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Of course, the very same is true for McCain.
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Indeed. But McCain has less going for him if he were to manage to get
elected. His alienation from his base, his unpopular stance on the
war, his age that makes him a likely lame duck his first term, his
temper, and the fact that his party will likely be in the minority in
both houses of Congress - all suggest that he would have more problems
getting things done.
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier - artificial linguist; genealogist
lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org |
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Obama - INCREASE funding for No Child Left Behind |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Lack of research, as usual...sigh...
On Jul 16, 8:40 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Further illustrating the separation between Obama and the extreme left
of his party, Obama said at a speech of the NAACP that he would
increase funding for No Child Left Behind....
Until and unless it is repealed, it needs to be fully funded, which it
hasn't been. Others on the left have said the same thing.
The new head of AFT said his top priority is to kill NCLB.
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Good for him.
So what? Until and unless it is repealed, it needs to be fully
funded, which it hasn't been.
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All three (NCLB, charter schools, and performance pay) are opposed by teacher unions.
Misrepresentation that has been dealt with previously. Repeating your
errors doesn't make them any less egregiously wrong.
Where have you disputed his support
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I've disputed what is "opposed by teachers unions", generally by
quotes from their policy statements that contradict your nonsense.
The link I gave was from the anti-NCLB Education
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Week site, and the article makes it clear Obama is breaking with the
left on many points, including this one.
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As has been noted many times, Ted Kennedy, who few people would doubt
is a liberal, was a co-sponsor of NCLB. Clearly you don't understand
"the left" since you cannot make a correct statement about it.
But we aren't surprised, since you don't understand much of anything.
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So, either the liberal press is ignorant, or you are wrong.
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Or maybe the "liberal press" isn't quite as "liberal" as claim, or ...
lojbab
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lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org |
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The_Carpathia
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: Obama - INCREASE funding for No Child Left Behind |
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On Jul 16, 9:05 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
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The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Lack of research, as usual...sigh...
On Jul 16, 8:40 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
The_Carpathia <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Further illustrating the separation between Obama and the extreme left
of his party, Obama said at a speech of the NAACP that he would
increase funding for No Child Left Behind....
Until and unless it is repealed, it needs to be fully funded, which it
hasn't been. Others on the left have said the same thing.
The new head of AFT said his top priority is to kill NCLB.
Good for him.
So what? Until and unless it is repealed, it needs to be fully
funded, which it hasn't been.
All three (NCLB, charter schools, and performance pay) are opposed by teacher unions.
Misrepresentation that has been dealt with previously. Repeating your
errors doesn't make them any less egregiously wrong.
Where have you disputed his support
I've disputed what is "opposed by teachers unions", generally by
quotes from their policy statements that contradict your nonsense.
The link I gave was from the anti-NCLB Education
Week site, and the article makes it clear Obama is breaking with the
left on many points, including this one.
As has been noted many times, Ted Kennedy, who few people would doubt
is a liberal, was a co-sponsor of NCLB. Clearly you don't understand
"the left" since you cannot make a correct statement about it.
But we aren't surprised, since you don't understand much of anything.
So, either the liberal press is ignorant, or you are wrong.
Or maybe the "liberal press" isn't quite as "liberal" as claim, or ...
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Ahhh, so Education's largest newspaper (Education Week) is a
conservative newspaper? (Hint...look at the editors...the lead editor-
publisher worked for the Carnegie Foundation)
However, getting back on topic, EW is opposed to NCLB. Here's their
topic page on it...
http://www.edweek.org/ew/topics/no-child-left-behind/index.html
And, THEY are reporting about Obama's rejection of liberal policies on
charter schools, performance pay, and NCLB. So, has EW now joined
your growing list of members of the conservative conspiracy
(which...apparently...includes anyone critical of Obama).
Kenneth Clifton
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Bob LeChevalier
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Obama - INCREASE funding for No Child Left Behind |
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The_Carpathia <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
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As has been noted many times, Ted Kennedy, who few people would doubt
is a liberal, was a co-sponsor of NCLB. Clearly you don't understand
"the left" since you cannot make a correct statement about it.
But we aren't surprised, since you don't understand much of anything.
So, either the liberal press is ignorant, or you are wrong.
Or maybe the "liberal press" isn't quite as "liberal" as claim, or ...
Ahhh, so Education's largest newspaper (Education Week) is a
conservative newspaper?
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False dichotomy. It is an "education newspaper". It is not an
ideological newspaper.
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(Hint...look at the editors...the lead editor-publisher worked for the Carnegie Foundation)
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Whoopie. That doesn't make it either liberal or conservative.
Other than in the sense that all education is "liberal education" if
it isn't brainwashing, I see no reason to believe that the Carnegie
Foundation is either liberal or conservative either.
http://www.carnegiefoundation.org/about/index.asp
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However, getting back on topic, EW is opposed to NCLB.
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Good for them, if so. But your evidence is lacking.
I see no position statement on NCLB. I see a bunch of articles of no
particular political stance.
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And, THEY are reporting about Obama's rejection of liberal policies on
charter schools, performance pay, and NCLB.
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Your evidence is lacking as to what they are reporting on, or what
Obama has rejected, or what constitutes "liberal policies".
In short, you are absolutely clueless.
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So, has EW now joined your growing list of members of the conservative conspiracy
(which...apparently...includes anyone critical of Obama).
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You are the one into conspiracy theories, not me.
lojbab
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lojbab@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org |
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